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"If I tell you that I'm a surgeon, and you allow me to operate on you, that's fine unless it turns out that I'm not a surgeon. Then, I'm just guy who is stabbing you while you are unconscious. The issue with the police is not that they have expertise in a particular situation, but...
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Nathan: They aren't using violence, if you broke the law and are doing something illegal then you should be thrown in jail. being 'thrown in jail' is using violence. you didn't refute what i said at all.
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