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  • 05-09-2007 1:40 PM

    • Joey
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    Lying & The False Self

    I do appologize if this topic has been discussed before in podcasts and on Sunday shows. I would like to know Stef's thoughts about lying and deception from just simple everyday kinds of white lies to cases where people are pathological liars. In severe cases where somebody is a pathological liar, is it then that the false self has taken over for that person because of some trauma done to that person in their childhood by the f.o.o.?

    I ask because I have had some experience with this kind of thing in my life.

    What is the difference between fate and destiny? Imagine yourself on a supremely windy day. If you just sit there, and let the wind take you where it will, that's fate. But if you are the deciding factor of where you will go--even against the wind--that is destiny.

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  • 05-11-2007 8:34 AM In reply to

    Re: Lying & The False Self

    bump

    dsheeit

  • 05-11-2007 8:57 AM In reply to

    Re: Lying & The False Self

    Dishonesty

    I would say dishonesty is a result of honesty that has been attacked and punished.

    The greatest dishonesty I was forced to commit was to believe that my parents were good and that I was bad, right? Any abuse on their part was because I provoked them for being honest or for any other reason they could conceive of.   I even had to be dishonest about the fact that they were very dishonest.

    This cascaded down into every relationship I've ever had, including the last one I was in. Where I was completely dishonest with myself about what a horribly mean, unreasonable, destructive, rejecting, abusive and very hurtful person she was. Her actions never matched her words yet I was inclined to be dishonest with myself and everyone else that she was not all those things.

    We're told that we have to say our parents are good and virtuous when in fact they are abusive, dishonest and hypocritical. We're told that we have to say the fictional character God not only exists when he most certainly does not but that he is also good when in fact he is depicted as quite an evil, pestilential, megalomaniacal, genocidal, murderous, jealous, narcissistic bully.

    Finally we're also told that we have to say the state is good when in fact it is the opposite, that taxation is not armed robbery when it most certainly is, that soldiers are virtuous rather than murderous, that cops are there to "protect us".  It is outright dishonesty.

    Honesty is punished by parents, politicians and priests from day one.
  • 05-11-2007 9:16 AM In reply to

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