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  • 07-27-2006 9:59 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     Wiltster wrote:
    Man, THIS is a meaty discussion.  First of all, Greg, that's a fantastic piece, and if you don't submit it, well, I just don't understand why you would not.  Just take the damned pill already, so somebody says.
    Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm working up the courage, and putting some polish into it. I'll probably try to submit next week.

     Wiltster wrote:
    As to the other issues, I will be reading that Wiki article Rob linked.  Certainly uncertainty is something we can agree on, occasionally.  However, I would be lying if I did not say I think that "faith", almost by definition, requires a belief in the unprovable.  If something I highly value is unprovable then eventually I might decide that since only I "know" this "something", I am required to impose this knowledge on others - for the good of mankind naturally.  Of course this leads not only to bad personal choices, but also (eventually) to genocide and whatnot as well.  Not a pretty picture - but pretty accurate according to history.

    Now, Greg, I believe you also take some "leaps of faith" in your description of Islam.  Many in the west seem to think that Islam teaches "blowing things up", but this appears, at least initially, to be nothing short of uninformed bias.  An article I recently read, by G. Ed Griffin, entitled, "Why Do They Hate America", puts the teaching of Islam into (I believe) solid historical context, and provides an even-handed view of what is actually taught.  Feel free to attack the content, if you can, but I found it enlightening.  Having neither read the Qur’an, or much history of the Muslim faith, I haven't much to go on....it would be a pity for us to decide what they teach with that ignorance intact, no?
    I do indeed plead ignorance, when it comes to Islam. I've only skimmed sections of the Koran, and it's not one of the better translations, either. However, from what I have been exposed to, I think some criticism is fair. Their text (what I've seen, anyway) does contain things that could easily be used as a rationale for violence (as does the Bible).

    So, I guess the real question is: is it fair to judge the 'orthodoxy' by the actions of the extremists? But, in order to understand it, maybe that question should be turned around. Sam Harris roundly condemns the milder elements of modern religions, for lending an air of reasoned legitimacy to theologies that have an obvious capacity for violence. One obvious case for this, I think, might be the abortion question in America - and the propensity for some believers to presume themselves holy-warriors by shooting doctors, and bombing clinics. Though no "legitimate" church would dare laud the behavior, the same churches were yet remarkably timid (if not completely silent) about condemning it. This, to me, clearly suggests that all faiths do indeed subscribe to an ends-justifies-the-means mentality - and that it's just a question degree, the extent to which their own social sensibilities will allow them to carry out this mentality.

    All the more reason to advocate the spread of rational thought, I think.

     

     

  • 07-27-2006 10:01 AM In reply to

    • Tuttle
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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     gmgauthi wrote:
    Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm working up the courage, and putting some polish into it. I'll probably try to submit next week.


    Its a great article so no polish needed, its good to go!
  • 07-27-2006 10:51 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     Jake wrote:
     gmgauthi wrote:
    Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm working up the courage, and putting some polish into it. I'll probably try to submit next week.

    Its a great article so no polish needed, its good to go!
    Ditto.

    ...you can always "polish" any portions in the subsequent submissions.
     gmgauthi wrote:
    ...snipped in the name of love...

    One obvious case for this, I think, might be the abortion question in America - and the propensity for some believers to presume themselves holy-warriors by shooting doctors, and bombing clinics. Though no "legitimate" church would dare laud the behavior, the same churches were yet remarkably timid (if not completely silent) about condemning it. This, to me, clearly suggests that all faiths do indeed subscribe to an ends-justifies-the-means mentality - and that it's just a question degree, the extent to which their own social sensibilities will allow them to carry out this mentality.

    Here's the thing though, and I apologize for thinking out loud about this as I post.  Even the most basic logical premise can be overextended, can it not?  A pop-culture example of this is the "three laws" from I, Robot which were perverted to mean, "we MUST control all humans - to protect them, lest they destroy themselves."  Ergo, I do not believe that overdependence of orthodoxy is confined to religions per se.

    ...what am I missing?

    "There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." ~ Goethe

    "Everything the state says is a lie and everything it has, it has stolen." ~ Nietzsche, from "Thus Spake Zarathustra"

  • 07-28-2006 12:43 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    I cleaned up some of the stuff that was bothering me about it, and now I think I'm ready to post it somewhere. Does anyone know where I can find submission guidelines for LRC? I couldn't find any on the site.


    ============
    Politics is a religion. Like all religions, politics is also chock full of it’s own rites and rituals. In the west, voting is the most seductive - and perhaps, most important - ritual in the repertoire of rites of this particular cult. Specifically, it is used to help maintain the fantasy that politics is a peaceful art. By assaulting our consciousness regularly with the rhythmical, methodical, and incessant recitation of scripture-like propaganda, and urging us to fulfill our destiny as citizens, the state teaches us, prods us, implores us, patiently and hypnotically, into the fine art of gentle submission to unjust and unearned authority.

    Voting, in otherwords, is the primary holy sacrament of initiation into the cult of power worship. We are all supplicants to this religion. Each and every time we imbibe the ritual, drinking deeply of the chalice of power-lust, we murder just a little bit more of our own soul, sacrificing it gradually but inexorably, to the God whose name we dare not speak. With time, and regular observance of this tithing to the God of power, we are seduced to seek merger with his consciousness, thereby transforming it, and immortalizing ourselves in the process. But this belief is a rabid fantasy. The act of casting the ballot is in truth not an act of self-expression, but an act of ultimate submission disguised as wish-fulfillment. We must be consumed whole, so that the state may be made healthy through our self-sacrifice. Thus, by voting, we achieve the highest state of ecstatic self-annihilation within the Church of Democracy.

    The politicians - as the priestly class of this now global cult - know the truth of all of this. It is a key reason why they push so hard to expand participation, even to the point of demanding it be made a duty. Much pomp and circumstance surrounds the ceremonial display of politicians engaging in the ritual themselves, thereby helping to reinforce the subtle but undeniable siren call of the capacity to dispose of men’s lives at whim, and control the world by mere word alone. But politicians adhere to a whole pantheon of rituals exclusive to themselves as well - rituals designed to help them balance themselves on the tightrope of internal contradiction and hypocrisy. Much like the Church of Rome, they employ rites meant to sanctify their status as moral superiors to mere supplicants, who are drawn to the polls by blind lust, on each holy day of ritual sacrament.

    The media - as the prophets and evangelists of the cult - entreat us with great epic narratives, describing the glorious feats of, and bestowing great honors upon, those who have been entered into the ranks of the priesthood. As the evangelists for the religion, they spread the ‘good news’, and excite us to participation with calls to duty, and dreams of fantastic achievement. The politicians, however, must play the part of reverent cool-headed theologians. They are not permitted to engage in such histrionics, since the behavior might openly betray the lust they secretly share with the supplicants. Good priests must appear like disinterested scholars, deferential to their God, and patient with the eager supplicants. The media exists, then, to fulfill the role of snake charmer, miracle worker, ecstatic proclaimer of the glories of the faith. In this, they have not failed.

    The Church of Democracy, at least in the West, is roughly 300 years old, now. It has reached a stage of maturity in which missionary zeal can be observed throughout. In the thrall of this zeal, the whole religion has begun to show signs of a significant internal transformation, and impending decay. The evangelists are fighting amongst themselves, the cabal of the priesthood has cloistered itself within the walls of its holy city, safe from supplicants, and the supplicants themselves have been imbibing the ritual sacrament less and less with each passing holy day.

    So, like many other iterations of the cult of power in recent decades, the Church of Democracy has now also entered into a desperate crisis of faith.  In eras past, this sort of transformation has resulted in a glorification of naked power so bald, and so forthright, that humans by the millions were willingly cast directly into the great furnace needed to feed the God of power, until it finally consumed itself. But this time, the transformation need not end in a global-scale abortion of self-destruction that it has in the past. This time, we can choose instead, to affirm our selves, and to put and end to this faith.

     It may or may not come to pass, that our generation will be a witness to the collapse of one of the deadliest religions in human history - the religion of politics. But I, for one, will continue to look forward to it.

    ============

  • 07-28-2006 6:26 AM In reply to

    • Simon9
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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    ...don't you ever sleep?!
  • 07-28-2006 6:32 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

  • 07-28-2006 7:41 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     gmgauthi wrote:
    I cleaned up some of the stuff that was bothering me about it, and now I think I'm ready to post it somewhere. Does anyone know where I can find submission guidelines for LRC? I couldn't find any on the site.


    ============
    Politics is a religion. Like all religions, politics is also chock full of it’s own rites and rituals. In the west, voting is the most seductive - and perhaps, most important - ritual in the repertoire of rites of this particular cult. Specifically, it is used to help maintain the fantasy that politics is a peaceful art. By assaulting our consciousness regularly with the rhythmical, methodical, and incessant recitation of scripture-like propaganda, and urging us to fulfill our destiny as citizens, the state teaches us, prods us, implores us, patiently and hypnotically, into the fine art of gentle submission to unjust and unearned authority.

    Voting, in otherwords, is the primary holy sacrament of initiation into the cult of power worship. We are all supplicants to this religion. Each and every time we imbibe the ritual, drinking deeply of the chalice of power-lust, we murder just a little bit more of our own soul, sacrificing it gradually but inexorably, to the God whose name we dare not speak. With time, and regular observance of this tithing to the God of power, we are seduced to seek merger with his consciousness, thereby transforming it, and immortalizing ourselves in the process. But this belief is a rabid fantasy. The act of casting the ballot is in truth not an act of self-expression, but an act of ultimate submission disguised as wish-fulfillment. We must be consumed whole, so that the state may be made healthy through our self-sacrifice. Thus, by voting, we achieve the highest state of ecstatic self-annihilation within the Church of Democracy.

    The politicians - as the priestly class of this now global cult - know the truth of all of this. It is a key reason why they push so hard to expand participation, even to the point of demanding it be made a duty. Much pomp and circumstance surrounds the ceremonial display of politicians engaging in the ritual themselves, thereby helping to reinforce the subtle but undeniable siren call of the capacity to dispose of men’s lives at whim, and control the world by mere word alone. But politicians adhere to a whole pantheon of rituals exclusive to themselves as well - rituals designed to help them balance themselves on the tightrope of internal contradiction and hypocrisy. Much like the Church of Rome, they employ rites meant to sanctify their status as moral superiors to mere supplicants, who are drawn to the polls by blind lust, on each holy day of ritual sacrament.

    The media - as the prophets and evangelists of the cult - entreat us with great epic narratives, describing the glorious feats of, and bestowing great honors upon, those who have been entered into the ranks of the priesthood. As the evangelists for the religion, they spread the ‘good news’, and excite us to participation with calls to duty, and dreams of fantastic achievement. The politicians, however, must play the part of reverent cool-headed theologians. They are not permitted to engage in such histrionics, since the behavior might openly betray the lust they secretly share with the supplicants. Good priests must appear like disinterested scholars, deferential to their God, and patient with the eager supplicants. The media exists, then, to fulfill the role of snake charmer, miracle worker, ecstatic proclaimer of the glories of the faith. In this, they have not failed.

    The Church of Democracy, at least in the West, is roughly 300 years old, now. It has reached a stage of maturity in which missionary zeal can be observed throughout. In the thrall of this zeal, the whole religion has begun to show signs of a significant internal transformation, and impending decay. The evangelists are fighting amongst themselves, the cabal of the priesthood has cloistered itself within the walls of its holy city, safe from supplicants, and the supplicants themselves have been imbibing the ritual sacrament less and less with each passing holy day.

    So, like many other iterations of the cult of power in recent decades, the Church of Democracy has now also entered into a desperate crisis of faith.  In eras past, this sort of transformation has resulted in a glorification of naked power so bald, and so forthright, that humans by the millions were willingly cast directly into the great furnace needed to feed the God of power, until it finally consumed itself. But this time, the transformation need not end in a global-scale abortion of self-destruction that it has in the past. This time, we can choose instead, to affirm our selves, and to put and end to this faith.

     It may or may not come to pass, that our generation will be a witness to the collapse of one of the deadliest religions in human history - the religion of politics. But I, for one, will continue to look forward to it.

    ============


    Submission guidelines?  Are you insane man?  (I kid!  I wondered the same thing, but finding none, just decided to give it a swing on my own.)  Here's what I did, and I was just guessing.  I submitted a Microsoft Word version of my article, with all the links and all the formatting.  At the bottom I included the "tagline" and a small picture.  I sent it to Lew Rockwell, with a note that said something along the lines of, "Lew, here's a submission."

    ...yeah, that was about it.

    Edit:  "ourselves" is one word, is it not?

    "There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." ~ Goethe

    "Everything the state says is a lie and everything it has, it has stolen." ~ Nietzsche, from "Thus Spake Zarathustra"

  • 07-28-2006 9:00 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

  • 07-30-2006 10:05 PM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    So, I submitted it. Let's see what happens..... Tongue Tied [:S]
  • 07-31-2006 8:38 PM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     gmgauthi wrote:
    So, I submitted it. Let's see what happens..... Tongue Tied [:S]

    Congratulations!  Well done!

    Incidentally, I searched...  and searched...  and searched...  but all to no avail...  for other similar articles (which I know I have somewhere), written by anarchists and Christians, to send to you...  but...

    Oh well, back to basics for now, at The Spastic Typing Posting & Research Centre...

  • 07-31-2006 8:42 PM In reply to

    Yes [Y] Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     gmgauthi wrote:
    So, I submitted it. Let's see what happens..... Tongue Tied [:S]

    Congratulations!  Well done!

    Incidentally, I searched...  and searched...  and searched...  but all to no avail...  for other similar articles (which I know I have somewhere), written by anarchists and Christians, to send to you...  but...

    Oh well, back to basics for me, at The Spastic Typing Posting & Research Centre...

  • 07-31-2006 9:07 PM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     Putty Tat wrote:

     gmgauthi wrote:
    So, I submitted it. Let's see what happens..... Tongue Tied [:S]

    Congratulations!  Well done!

    Incidentally, I searched...  and searched...  and searched...  but all to no avail...  for other similar articles (which I know I have somewhere), written by anarchists and Christians, to send to you...  but...

    Oh well, back to basics for me, at The Spastic Typing Posting & Research Centre...



    Thanks Putty, I know the concept is not novel. I've seen it come up in articles in Reason and in Liberty before, and I know I've posted on the concept here before. But, I believe this particular approach to it might be at least stylistically unique, which makes it worth publishing I guess... but that's not up to me to decide, and we'll know in a few days, for sure.


  • 07-31-2006 9:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion... PUBLISHED!

    Pfft! Well, THAT was easier than I'd expected!

    I decided to go the STR route, since it seemed like it was the path-of-least-resistance for Stef's TOUGHEST article (i.e., if they're not afraid of that one, maybe they'll take mine, too).

    Anyway, enogh equivocating... HERE IT IS!  WooHoo!! Big Smile [:D] Party!!! [<:o)] Big Smile [:D]
  • 08-01-2006 12:12 AM In reply to

    • Tuttle
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    Re: Politics IS a Religion... PUBLISHED!

    Horray! Well done and congratulations!!!
  • 08-01-2006 4:29 AM In reply to

    Yes [Y] Re: Politics IS a Religion... PUBLISHED!

    WAY TO GO GEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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