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  • 07-26-2006 12:26 AM

    Politics IS a Religion...

    All this talk of Sam Harris, and Nietzsche, and Christianity, got me thinking:

    Politics is a religion. Like all other religions, politics is also chock full of it’s own rites and rituals. In the west, voting is the most seductive - and perhaps, most important - ritual in the repertoire of rites in this cult. Specifically, it is used to help maintain the fantasy that politics is a peaceful art. By assaulting our consciousness regularly with the rhythmical, methodical, and incessant recitation of scripture-like propaganda, and urging us to fulfill our destiny as citizens, the state teaches us, prods us, implores us, slowly, methodically, and hypnotically, into the fine art of gentle submission to unjust and unearned authority.

    Voting, in other words, is the primary holy sacrament of initiation into the cult of power worship, in the West. We are supplicants to this religion. Each and every time we imbibe the ritual, drinking deeply of the chalice of power-lust, we murder just a little more of our own soul, sacrificing it gradually but inexorably, to the God whose name we dare not speak. With time, and regular observance of this tithing to the God of power, we are seduced to seek merger with his conscience, thereby transforming it, and immortalizing ourselves in the process. But this belief is a rabid fantasy. The act of casting the ballot is in truth not an act of self-expression, but an act of ultimate submission disguised as wish-fulfillment. We must be consumed whole, so that it may be made healthy through our sacrifice. Thus, by voting, we achieve the highest state of ecstatic self-annihilation within the cult of the state.

    The politicians - as the high priests of this cult - know the truth of all of this. It is a key reason why they push so hard to expand participation, even to the point of demanding it be made a duty. Much pomp and circumstance surrounds the ceremonial display of politicians engaging in the ritual themselves, thereby helping to reinforce the subtle but undeniable siren call of a capacity to dispose of lives at whim, and control the world by mere word alone. But politicians adhere to a whole pantheon of rituals exclusive to themselves as well. Rituals designed to help them balance the tightrope of internal contradiction and hypocrisy. Much like the Church of Rome, they employ rites meant to sanctify their status as moral superiors to the supplicants drawn by blind lust, to the polling booths on each holy day of ritual sacrament.

    The media - as the revered prophets and evangelists of the cult - entreat us with great epic narratives - describing glorious feats, and bestowing great honors upon, those who have been entered into the ranks of the priesthood. As the evangelists for the religion, they spread the ‘good news’, and excite us to participation with calls to duty, and dreams of fantastic achievement. The politicians, as the reverend theologians, are not permitted to engage in such histrionics, since the behavior might openly betray the lust they share with supplicants. Good priests must appear like disinterested scholars, deferential to their God, and patient with the eager supplicants. The media exists, then, to fulfill the role of snake charmer, miracle worker, ecstatic proclaimer of the glories of the faith. In this, they have not failed.

    Like many other iterations of the cult of power recently, the Church of Democracy is now also in the throws of a desperate crisis of faith.This religion, at least in the West, is roughly 300 years old. It has reached a stage of maturity in which missionary zeal can be observed throughout. In the thrall of this zeal, the religion has begun to show signs of a significant internal transformation. The evangelists are fighting amongst themselves, the cabal of the priesthood has cloistered itself within the walls of its holy city, safe from supplicants, and the supplicants themselves have been imbibing the ritual sacrament less and less with each passing holy day.

    But mine is not a message of desperation, or a demand for revivification of this faith. Instead, it is a message of tense hope, and passionate desire for, as Sam Harris put it, the “End of Faith”. But, not just select faiths - an end to all faith. It may or may not be, that our generation will be a witness to the collapse of one of the most powerful religions in human history: the religion of politics - and I, for one, look forward to that.

     


  • 07-26-2006 5:15 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    Fantastic, Greg that's an aticle-in-the-making if ever I read one! Well done! Big Smile [:D]


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  • 07-26-2006 5:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    Well, as a believer in God, I disagree with you regarding the desirability of the dissolution of all faith, but I do agree with you regarding politics as religion. One of the things I have always found morbidly amusing is how people have a serious mental disconnect when it comes to government. None of the world religions allow for blowing up of houses and families. Yet government; "that's different." None of the world religions allow theft. Yet government; "that's different." None of the world religions allow kidnapping and subsequent enslavement (such as in American slavery and the military draft). Yet government, "that's different." The very principles upon which they claim to live their lives are sacrificed upon the altar of government. This leads me to the inescapable conclusion that  perhaps the majority of humanity, certainly a sizeable minority at least, are in fact idol worshippers, in the most literal sense.
    "Logic . . . merely enables one to be wrong with authority." Doctor Who
  • 07-26-2006 6:11 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     admin wrote:
    Fantastic, Greg that's an aticle-in-the-making if ever I read one! Well done! Big Smile [:D]
    DittoYes [Y]
    The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche
  • 07-26-2006 6:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

     bigrob wrote:
    One of the things I have always found morbidly amusing is how people have a serious mental disconnect when it comes to government.


    Rob, have you thought about whether you might have the very same mental disconnect regarding religion? Have you considered whether you yourself are making an extremely selective reading of the history christianity and of the bible in order to fit it to your own morality?
  • 07-26-2006 6:33 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    Certainly that would be a nice article for Lew, or a chapter in a book?  L337 writing skillz man, you pwn.

    This concept is illustrated really well in one of the first few episodes of "The Prisoner".



    Rob, have you thought about whether you might have the very same mental disconnect regarding religion? Have you considered whether you yourself are making an extremely selective reading of the history christianity and of the bible in order to fit it to your own morality?


    I was thinking the same thing there, sounds like extra - unnecessary work.  Its like going to Austin from Houston by flying to New York, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Honolulu, LA, then finally to Austin.
  • 07-26-2006 6:42 AM In reply to

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     Sephethus wrote:
    I was thinking the same thing there, sounds like extra - unnecessary work.  Its like going to Austin from Houston by flying to New York, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Honolulu, LA, then finally to Austin.
    Ah! But, I'll bet you the tickets would be cheaper than flying direct.... Wink [;)]
  • 07-26-2006 6:56 AM In reply to

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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    cut and print! great work greg!

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  • 07-26-2006 7:06 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    Thanks for the comments, Rob. I have a couple questions:

     bigrob wrote:
    Well, as a believer in God, I disagree with you regarding the desirability of the dissolution of all faith
    So, you would consider faith a virtue, rather than a vice? What would be the rational measure I could use to distinguish between the things that were worth having faith in, and which were not? (my presupposition here, at least in this context, is that something must be rational to be worth believing).

     bigrob wrote:
    None of the world religions allow for blowing up of houses and families. Yet government; "that's different." None of the world religions allow theft. Yet government; "that's different." None of the world religions allow kidnapping and subsequent enslavement (such as in American slavery and the military draft). Yet government, "that's different."
    I was under the impression that Islam has not only permitted, but has encouraged blowing people up. Also, I understand that, until modern times, branches of the Catholic church regularly inducted the poor and disaffected in many third-world countries into a sort of indentured servitude. Are these things not the same as you were describing? I have to admit, I was making no distinction between the "legitimate" religions and mystery cults, here. But still, I think a solid case could be made that there is no such distinction.

  • 07-26-2006 7:11 AM In reply to

    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    Wow. Thanks for all the kudos, folks!

    I still think the last few paragraphs need work, but I'm not going to feign modesty here. I was thinking it might make for a good article.



     
  • 07-26-2006 7:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    quit being modest, greg!


    damn, too late.

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  • 07-26-2006 7:13 AM In reply to

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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    I see no evidence that either of these issues have been a part of what I would describe as traditional scholarship of either religious system, but faith itself always comes from some sort of personal truth, which the individual finds self-evident. I don't know that this truth is exportable. Indeed, this is one argument for the non-agression principle. That which I perceive may not be perceivable by everyone. I can only live inside my own head. All logical systems are based upon unproven, and unprovable axioms. Kurt Godel is rightly famous for his proof of this.
    "Logic . . . merely enables one to be wrong with authority." Doctor Who
  • 07-26-2006 7:23 AM In reply to

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     bigrob wrote:
    faith itself always comes from some sort of personal truth, which the individual finds self-evident.... All logical systems are based upon unproven, and unprovable axioms. Kurt Godel is rightly famous for his proof of this.
    Interesting. Could you elaborate a little on this? Like, what would you consider to be "provable" and "unprovable"? Also, does this mean you see no distinction between an axiom (self-evident truth), and an article of faith? Also, Can you point me to something Godel has written, for elaboration on this?


    Thanks
  • 07-26-2006 7:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    the only axiom I voluntarily hold is that my senses can perceive reality. other than that i hope i don't have any beliefs.

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  • 07-26-2006 7:41 AM In reply to

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    Re: Politics IS a Religion...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems

    I see the difference as universality of agreement. Some axioms are more commonly accepted than others. But I haven't thought the issue out completely, so don't think of this as some sort of rigorous philosophical discussion.
    "Logic . . . merely enables one to be wrong with authority." Doctor Who
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