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  • 07-26-2008 11:55 AM

    She says religion is hard-wired

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/infants-have-natural-belief-in-god-20080725-3l3b.html

    This so-called researcher has announced to the world that belief in god is hard-wired in infants.  Atheism must be learned, according to her.  

    Fortunately, there is some well reasoned commentary on this blog: http://blogs.theage.com.au/thereligiouswrite/archives/2008/07/in_the_beginnin.html#comments

     

    “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken adults.” - Frederick Douglass
  • 07-26-2008 12:08 PM In reply to

    Re: She says religion is hard-wired

    Nice to see you posting again! Smile

    If belief in "God" were hard-wired, it wouldn't take a decade of constant propagandizing and psychological terrorizing, to convince kids of it.

     

  • 07-26-2008 12:34 PM In reply to

    • Lucifer
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    Re: She says religion is hard-wired

    She studied children between the ages of 4 and 7, well after children have picked up on religious concepts from their parents. Certainly the brain is wired with a disposition toward creating and absorbing religious beliefs, but god is a specific religious concept and not universal to all religions. I'm with David Eller that we are born atheists.

     

  • 07-26-2008 2:55 PM In reply to

    Re: She says religion is hard-wired

    Thanks for the welcome, Greg!  My main contribution this past year has been telling other people to come over here git some larnin...  but I'm rarely here myself. Smile  I admit I got somewhat discouraged by some of the conversations, when the negative banter was taking a lot out of us.  But I am still very interested in all things freedom, and of course forever grateful for the education I got from Stef and this site. 

    Great responses.  I'm sure this nutcase will ignore all reason. She is not hard-wired to do so, just trained. Wink

     

     

    “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken adults.” - Frederick Douglass
  • 07-26-2008 2:59 PM In reply to

    Re: She says religion is hard-wired

    Mh. I think she could be right. It might be an essential survival mechanism embedded in a  child to work with the concept of "god". I don't think we come to this world ready made and just have to explore the white territory in our minds for the rest of our lives. I would say a child's brain is evolving and sort of rudimental with basic survival strategies. A rejection of the parental mythologies at this age would be a life threat. The responsibility for a parent would be acknowledging this desire for "being good" not abuse it and support a free mind.

    My parents weren't religious. I cannot remember them using the word "god". Nevertheless they were "gods" to me as a child.

    I don't think that the concept of "god" as something beyond the parental "god-like" existence, higher power of whatever, is part of the child's world because there is no need for it and nature is economical, isn't it?

     

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  • 07-29-2008 9:50 AM In reply to

    Re: She says religion is hard-wired

    Then why is it that I was never religious and I was raised in a catholic household? I think this lady has her "facts" twisted.

    "Time is the greatest teacher of all, unfortunately it kills all it's pupils"
  • 07-29-2008 10:18 AM In reply to

    • CCS
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    Re: She says religion is hard-wired

     In this interview what she says isn't quite the what the reporter says.

    http://www.science-spirit.org/article_detail.php?article_id=128

    However, the cumulative contribution of many domains of cognitive developmental psychology suggests to me that it’s a serious possibility that spirituality is a universal aspect of human cognition.

    "spirituality" not god.

    Then read about her test questions and even that is hardly supported.

    On forced choice questions, consisting of three possible explanations of primary origin, they would predominantly go for the word "God," instead of either an agnostic response (e.g., "nobody knows") or an incorrect response (e.g., "by people").

    Kids will know what isn't made by people and eliminate that answer. Kids will probably believe that somebody knows and eliminate the answer nobody knows. This only leaves one possible answer with any possibility of sounding correct. They didn't even have "None of the above" to choose from. It seems completely loaded to me.

    If two people agree on everything, one of them is not thinking.
  • 08-01-2008 5:00 PM In reply to

    • Nash
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    Re: She says religion is hard-wired

    GregG:

     

    If belief in "God" were hard-wired, it wouldn't take a decade of constant propagandizing and psychological terrorizing, to convince kids of it.

    And there wouldn't be so many kids who come out of that 16 years of propagandizing with doubts about "god." I wouldn't call it "convincing" them as much as "terrorizing them into abject conformity."

    "The battle for freedom begins in our own hearts...in our own lives." (Stefan Molyneux)

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