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  • 06-28-2008 12:10 PM

    The Impossibility of Limited Government...

    "On the Impossibility of Limited Government and the Prospects for a Second American Revolution"
    By Hans Hermann Hoppe (read by Dr. Floy Lilley.)

    http://feeds.mises.org/~r/MisesMedia/~5/321626311/2874_Hoppe.mp3  [59:26]

    Absolutely superb article about the absurdity of the minarchist position, the fallacy of the American Consititution and inevitable rise of statism. Hoppe talks about the necessity for a new model, the so-called 'insurance model' (basically the DRO model) under anarcho-capitalism or; "the provision of law and order by freely competing, private, profit and loss insurance agencies."

     

  • 06-28-2008 3:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: The Impossibility of Limited Government...

    Article   ...in case you'd rather read than listen.

    Yes, this really is worth reading in spite of the academic writing style. The author proposes and supports, with impervious arguments, that insurance companies (i.e. DRO's) are the most effective and affordable purveyors of protection of life and property, while explaining quite clearly and logically how governments fail so miserably.

    While I am very grateful for the author's offering of a methodology for implementing "free cities" (it's all too easy to complain without proposing a solution), it seems that he lends gravity to the idea that succession is still legal. While technically this is probably true (I did not check), I would think that politically and popularly, this idea would be considered quaint and therefore ineffectual. I'm certainly willing to give it a try (cautiously), but I have my doubts.

    I also have a hard time imagining how local governments would tolerate what they would consider tax evasion by these free cities. Same for the federal level -- what about federal income tax? Would people in these free cities stop paying them and would that be tolerated? Tax evasion is probably the most aggressively repelled aspect of government coercion.

    excerpts:

    while a private owner, secure in his property and owning its capital value, plans the use of his resource over a long period of time, the government official must milk the property as quickly as he can, since he has no security of ownership. … Government officials own the use of resources but not their capital value (except in the case of the "private property" of a hereditary monarch). When only the current use can be owned, but not the resource itself, there will quickly ensue uneconomic exhaustion of the resources, since it will be to no one's benefit to conserve it over a period of time and to every owner's advantage to use it up as quickly as possible. … The private individual, secure in his property and in his capital resource, can take the long view, for he wants to maintain the capital value of his resource. It is the government official who must take and run, who must plunder the property while he is still in command.

    ...

    Indeed, no one in his right mind would agree to a contract that allowed one's alleged protector to determine unilaterally, without one's consent, and irrevocably, without the possibility of exit, how much to charge for protection; and no one in his right mind would agree to an irrevocable contract which granted one's alleged protector the right to ultimate decision making regarding one's own person and property, i.e., of unilateral lawmaking.

    ...

    Competition between insurers would instead systematically encourage individual responsibility, and any known provocateur and aggressor would be excluded as a bad insurance risk from any insurance coverage whatsoever and be rendered an economically isolated, weak, and vulnerable outcast.

     

    I would say that this article expounds on quite of few of Steph's podcast topics.

  • 06-29-2008 7:19 AM In reply to

    Re: The Impossibility of Limited Government...

    Perhaps he was alluding to the process of inevitable balkanisation, the fragmentation of societal orders into smaller component parts, like that which happened after the fall of the iron curtain in Europe. If this trend continues (bearing in mind the last 'great' Imperialist Empire, the USA, is diminishing in political stature and influence) it could be thought that niche principalities in major geographic locations, with high population densities, may start to tear away from the stranglehold of overbearing, immoral and inefficient governments. Within such a turbulent and unpredictable geo-political atmosphere, the [anarcho-capitalist] insurance/DRO model may indeed finally come to fruition.

    Some random thoughts...

    Are we heading towards a single 'world government'? If so, is that not indeed as much *hope* for the final and utter collapse of statism - as it is seems; often conversely, to some - rather the attainment of the statist's ultimate maniacal fantasies? In my mind, a world government can, at last, only repress its own people, it cannot blame external factors the way current governments do - it must surely assume some responsibility at last, for its own failures.

    Is it in a way plotting its own demise? Since many statists could no longer hide behind their delusions of 'better', 'different' or 'more' government influence as a solution to problems they attribute to having previously been caused by a lack of government influence upon free society. It would linger as an ultimate and irrefutable example of governments' systematic failure to achieve any sort of freedom or prosperity whatsoever for its people. Further; it would stand as an absolute pillar of barbaric, repressive tyranny and injustice. Is that not a glimmer of hope for mankind, even in our darkest hour?

  • 07-10-2008 5:27 PM In reply to

    Re: The Impossibility of Limited Government...

    I am half way through his (Hoppe) book "Myth of Natiional Defense".  The book is a compendium of his work as well as several other authors.  This history is absolutely fascinating as well.

    His book seals the fate of any small amounts of minarchism that one might cling to...

    I bought the book but the pdf can be found here. http://mises.org/etexts/defensemyth.pdf

    Some of the authors make a case for monarchism which is interesting.  I would prefer ancap but the notions about monarchs being less included to war than 'Democracies' is compelling in and of itself.

     

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