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  • 08-21-2008 12:54 PM In reply to

    Re: DRO Country in a Non-DRO World

    nexalacer:
    You've framed every argument we put forward as though we're arguing from the desire to have a bunch of lone wolves living off of each other's flesh
     

    I disagree.  I think your arguments simply lacked a framework.  I just came over from a post where one of your anarchists was asking the same question I had about whether or not you would actually use a nuke against the innocent slaves of an evil state that was trying to invade your anarchist area.  The answer was 1) no one would ever attack an anarchist area and 2) war would be obsolete anyway. . . .seriously?  Your answer to questions that are hard to deal with is that the situation will conspire so that you don't have to deal with them.  That sounds pretty utopian to me.  Utopianism lacks a framework.

    nexalacer:
    people want to work together to live prosperous lives

    Not quite.  People CAN work together to live prosperous lives.  People WANT to get whatever they can.  Because people constantly fight over resources it is more stable to structure the situation so that their competing desires coutneract each other, rather than to assume that they won't have competing desires.  Thus the division of power between the people and the state and between different branches of the state.

    nexalacer:
    they need to give one group the power to enforce

    Correct.  You think that everyone should be their own dictator.  I think that everyone should answer to a government that in turn answers to them.  In your system what would stop slavery?  Since no one will legislate moral rules the only way to stop slavery would be to refuse to do business with slave owners.  However, slave owners would be producing goods and services at more competative prices than non-slave owners.  Since you want to create a system with constant, vicious competition it is inevitable that some people will lose everything.  Those people will then become slaves.  Do you support slavery?  A state can easily discourage slavery.  How will your system automatically discourage slavery? 

  • 08-22-2008 10:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: DRO Country in a Non-DRO World

    Being critical of something that you have obviously only barely reviewed also lacks framework.

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  • 08-22-2008 10:41 AM In reply to

    Re: DRO Country in a Non-DRO World

     Right.  Ignore all the substance of my posts and just imply that I must be wrong about everything because I haven't reached the same conclusion you have.

    If you are different from me, and are far beyond "barely reviewing" anarchy, why can't you answer my questions?

    A conclusion should be based on logic and evidence.  You have concluded that anarchy is better than statism.  Why?  Is it an impression?  Do you feel it is intuitively correct?  Do you hope it is correct?

    If my analysis of the situation is wrong, feel free to explain why.  Additionally, which shred of anarchy do you want me to drill more deeply into?  There are dozens.  Which one do you agree with?

  • 08-22-2008 7:48 PM In reply to

    Re: DRO Country in a Non-DRO World

    We don't answer all your questions because they're the most common questions we're asked and it's very irritating when people don't do some real searching.  Are you telling me that you couldn't find anywhere on the net where it said how slavery would be prevented under anarchy?  And if you don't care to look yourself then why even bother giving a critique?

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