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"To raise our parents" in FDR's review of M. Moore's latest film.

perfect Freudian slip and ironically accurate in what we're trying to do here.

"Which is not to say that all military is bad" in The case against spanking, which seemed controversially appealing to wider audiences from the standpoint of defining military as hitmen in costume who go shooting whoever their political masters point to. 

Loving it.

All military is not bad.

State military is bad.

Agreed. Thank you for clarifying.

By the way, I just watched that video again and I don't know if you remember months ago I showed you Robert Sapolsky on neurological causes for religion. But my point is, talking about cortisol: not only has freedomainradio helped me control what most times in my life was a quick fight or flight mechanism caused by early childhood abuse, but I also through exercising I found this out, glutamine powder apparently helps lowering your cortisol levels, for this reason along with exercise recovery, I now take this aminoacid on a daily basis. I thought i'd share that FDR+glutamine has helped me.

Stefan Molyneux:

All military is not bad.

State military is bad.

All military is State military.

MrCapitalism:

Stefan Molyneux:

All military is not bad.

State military is bad.

All military is State military.

Indeed. It is incredibly difficult to imagine a world in which no states exist, and yet there's still a market demand for a military...

GregG:

MrCapitalism:

Stefan Molyneux:

All military is not bad.

State military is bad.

All military is State military.

Indeed. It is incredibly difficult to imagine a world in which no states exist, and yet there's still a market demand for a military...

But not impossible...

GregG:

MrCapitalism:

Stefan Molyneux:

All military is not bad.

State military is bad.

All military is State military.

Indeed. It is incredibly difficult to imagine a world in which no states exist, and yet there's still a market demand for a military...

Why, there's the highly spontaneous Helfeld Garden Tank Corporation, of course. Always in demand.

Stefan Molyneux:

All military is not bad.

State military is bad.

In one of your podcasts,  you stated that rape is a perk of the military life.  

1.  Is this true for all militaries or just state militaries?

2.  Assuming that rape is not a perk of non-state militaries, why is that?  What makes those soldiers different?

3.  Assuming that is it possible to be an "ethical" soldier in a non-state military, is it not possible that some members of the current state militaries are not that different than they would be in non-state militaries?  Or is membership in the state military so contaminating that they are forever lost? 

4.  If it is their service in the state military that corrupts them, then what makes is the difference between the initiation of violence by someone who joins a non-state military and someone who joins a state military?

5.  If all military is not bad, can you give examples of ethnical and moral military forces?  What makes their actions acceptable?  What actions are always unacceptable?

MrCapitalism:

Stefan Molyneux:

All military is not bad.

State military is bad.

All military is State military.

OK, assume we had an anarchist community within a world that still consisted of existing states (kind of like Somalia).   Second, lets assume that certain members of that community agree to voluntarily serve in a local militia for the common defense (similar to the Swiss model of defense with little or no offensive capability).

Wouldn't that be an example of a non-state military?   Or is the act of organizing for defense enough to imply a state status, even if the internal functions of that state were anarchistic?

That just depends on how you define the word "state." Personally, I won't call anything voluntary statist, because I despise the more narrowly defined "state" and would not want to associate anything good with it.

PaulR:

That just depends on how you define the word "state." Personally, I won't call anything voluntary statist, because I despise the more narrowly defined "state" and would not want to associate anything good with it.

Well I wonder if by identifying a "common defense" doesn't imply the existence of a bigger body than the individuals themselves and isn't that body what we would call the state?

When does gathering together as a group cross the line from voluntary association and start to become as state?

Well, the criteria for a moral military would be the same as for any other social institution or organization in a free society, it would have to respect property rights and the non-aggression principle, and conform to UPB...

None of these are the case with a state military, and in particular a state military tends to pick off those whose brains have been stunted by more than a decade in state indoctrination buildings.

Stefan Molyneux:

Well, the criteria for a moral military would be the same as for any other social institution or organization in a free society, it would have to respect property rights and the non-aggression principle, and conform to UPB...

How do you see paying for an ethical/moral military given these conditions?

Stefan Molyneux:

None of these are the case with a state military, and in particular a state military tends to pick off those whose brains have been stunted by more than a decade in state indoctrination buildings.

Given that the choice to risk ones life for compensation is generally made by those people who do not see any other opportunities in the existing market, what makes you think that the quality of soldier you would get would be any better than the state has to select from today?   Even without the indoctrination, you're not getting the best & brightest.   You're getting those whose education was so stunted that they don't see other opportunites.

Even assuming you can fill the basic ranks, what motivation is there for the leadership core?   Without patriotism how do you motivate the caliber of person you really need?

^All valid points.  I don't mind the swiss army model as long as it's voluntary. I wouldn't like my DRO to tell me I HAVE to own a gun and know how to use it though.