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Conrad:

Nathan McKaskle:

Conrad:

...and, those two words, Rod: "severe" and "solution". They immediately reminded me of another time, when another entire race of people were talked about in terms of a "solution". But, maybe that's taking the point too far...

Yes, it is taking the point too far, in a rather sick way, if you dont mind me saying

I don't, considering the border fence idea - think Berlin. 

you cannot be serious

Hitler killed 6 million Jews. Let me repeat that: Hitler KILLED 6 million Jews. 

I'm not sure how that argues against the notion of a "severe" "solution" regarding a race.  Regardless of what Hitler might have done, the use of those words can still remind us of that time in which the word "solution" was used.  Did any of those Jews or Germans see that coming?  No, it crept up real slowly after a number of "solutions" didn't work out as planned.  That the circumstances were different doesn't argue anything against the actual point Greg was trying to make.

--- you cannot be serious

Hitler killed 6 million Jews. Let me repeat that: Hitler KILLED 6 million Jews. ---

I'm not sure how that argues against the notion of a "severe" "solution" regarding a race. 

you are not sure? you've got to be kidding me...

I've already addressed the race-issue (to which you have not responded), and the mere fact that two of the same words are used (and I think the words 'severe' and 'solution' were anyway NOT used by Ron Paul but by someone else in this thread) does not at all mean that people are talking of the same thing

Regardless of what Hitler might have done, the use of those words can still remind us of that time in which the word "solution" was used. 

yes, just like it reminds me of how this new detergent is the *solution* to all your stain-problems

Did any of those Jews or Germans see that coming?  No, it crept up real slowly after a number of "solutions" didn't work out as planned.  That the circumstances were different doesn't argue anything against the actual point Greg was trying to make.

yes, so every time somebody starts something we dont know how it will work out and so we can link it to Hitler.

was Ron Paul as candid about his plans against illegal immigration as Hitler was in Mein Kampf about his solution for the Jews? of course you could say in response to this that Ron Paul is just less candid (or that his plans will eventually contribute to wiping out the MExicans even if that was not hsi intention. in the latter case, see above)

it may also be a good idea to analyse why you (and Greg and in a more moderate way Rodzilla) seem to be so eager to not just criticize people, but insult and trash them, all based on rather flimsy evidence and reasoning.

tell me about your family

Conrad:

it may also be a good idea to analyse why you (and Greg and in a more moderate way Rodzilla) seem to be so eager to not just criticize people, but insult and trash them, all based on rather flimsy evidence and reasoning.

tell me about your family

Insult and trash them? When? Where is your evidence and reasoning for that?

You can do a search on my family history scattered all over the forums and there are a couple of podcasts discussing it as well.

Insult and trash them? When? Where is your evidence and reasoning for that?

you not too subtly link Ron Paul to Hitler and you dont think that is insulting and trashing? you also said that he was a racist and you dont think that is insulting and trashing?

You can do a search on my family history scattered all over the forums and there are a couple of podcasts discussing it as well.

I know, I was half-joking about that, hence the smiley...

So, just to be clear about this:

You're upset because we're insulting and trashing a politician? Is that correct?

Conrad:

but I take it he would see this as falling under the protection services or something that the constitution authorizes the federal government to provide

i assume he would pay for it by way of taxes or printed money or borrowed money.

Greg Gauthier:

So, just to be clear about this:

You're upset because we're insulting and trashing a politician? Is that correct?

 

yes, that is correct

Rodzilla:

Hmmm... I said in another thread that RP was the least offensive evil in Washington.  Perhaps I was selling him short. 

Perhaps you have not sold him short. Perhaps his statement was taken out of context or has been misinterperated.

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Conrad:

i assume he would pay for it by way of taxes or printed money or borrowed money.

So he is using violence to build a fence to stop people from moving here because that which he opposes the existence of (welfare) is being used by people who move here. I'm not sure how telling the truth about what this guy thinks is "trashing" someone.  The only comparison made to Hitler was the race issue (although the Jews are not a race, no one is born Jewish).  I'll concede on that though given that the word "solution" was used by Rod, not Ron.  However, the comparison I made earlier was to the Berlin wall (built by the Russians after Hitler died), not necessarily to Hitler.

Stefan Molyneux:

No it's more personal than RP...

you mean for me or for them?

for me it is part of the more general point that I find it unfair to start comparing people (including politicians) to Hitler (or in general to slander people) without good reason, and not answering critical (argumentative and moral) points people make against such accusations. The eagerness to engage in such behaviour somewhat sickens or scares me, not sure which of the two the most.

on a more personal basis, along the way I started to find it interesting to see if i could stand my ground (as in being open to being corrected as well as firm about the points I am convinced of)  in a discussion like this which probably has to do with my own issues in the past and present. I am also reminded of  when I was in kindergarten where in the breaks between school we would play and I would often try to play the hero who protected others.

edit [oh, and I should add that indeed I feel kind of i dont know 'excited' arguing in this thread, in any case more so than I would be in other threads. so that's probably telling too]

does that help?

Conrad:

I would often try to play the hero who protected others.

does that help?

What "others" were being protected from what?

Considering you're protecting a politician who implicitly in his actions condones a monopoly and the initiation of aggression from people who are against the initiation of aggression on moral grounds... I'd really like to know.